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MessagePosté le: Ven Fév 20, 2009 12:47 pm    Sujet du message: America Répondre en citant

As a matter of fact, I have read Obama's first book, Dreams from my father, and it is quite good.

As for your condescending comment about people around here reading only Nice-Matin, I'll pass...but cannot help asking myself if in Texas, they know how to read at all. The few who can read are probably too busy anyways with swindling the US Treasury through Halliburton type scams or lining the pockets of politicians to get licences to drill in the Artic and so on...

As for Janet Reno's mistakes, this was ten years ago, and even if you are correct about this, I wonder why the Bushits haven't done anything to fix it for eight years, probably because they were obsessed about going to war on fallacious evidence and protecting Madoff types, spending the budget surplus accumulated during the Clinton years, and reducing America's moral credit to nothing.

Yes, Obama has been handed a terrible mess, but your comments are not serious, you should learn from John McCain about loosing graciously, rather rely on your friends which seem to me more concerned on cheap revenge than looking at reality. I know it hurts, but get on with it.
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MessagePosté le: Ven Fév 20, 2009 6:32 pm    Sujet du message: Re: America Répondre en citant

[quote="be serious"]As a matter of fact, I have read Obama's first book, Dreams from my father, and it is quite good.
If you did not see anything wrong with Dreams from my father and think it is a fine book, then, I rest my case.

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As for your condescending comment about people around here reading only Nice-Matin, I'll pass...

Just for the record, I did not say that people around here read "only" Nice-Matin. What I said is that, when it came to Obama, most of them, although they may have been reading all kind of material and books about all kind ob subjets, did not look any further. And don't worry too much about the shit-kicking Texans. They do know how to read.

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As for Janet Reno's mistakes, this was ten years ago
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I am glad to see that, when it comes to some people, the past is the past.

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I wonder why the Bushits haven't done anything to fix it for eight years
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"Starting in 2003, The Bush Administration recommended what the New York Times called “The most significant regulatory overhaul in the Housing Financial Industry since the Savings and Loan crisis a decade ago”. This change was to move governmental supervision of two of the primary agents guaranteeing subprime loans; Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, under a wholly new agency created within the Department of Justice, which would give it more oversight power and more auditing power. It would require these two so-called “companies” to better capitalize their debt.

But that legislation to strengthen these programs, to move the oversight to an independent separate agency WAS BLOCKED in 2003 by the Democats in Congress".

When the Bush Administration said, still in ‘03, “Look we got a problem here. They don’t have enough capital, they’re running wild over there. We don’t have enough oversight and auditing activity. We want to break out that activity - make it independent so they can oversee it. Force them to capitalize against their loans better”. They were BLOCKED again.

AND IT WAS BLOCKED AGAIN FIFTEEN OTHER TIMES.

Again this information is not a figment of my imagination. It is available for anyone who wants it. If someone does not look at reality, it is not me, nor my friends.
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MessagePosté le: Ven Fév 20, 2009 7:29 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Charles de Gaulle : c'est moi ou la chienlit (1968).

Barack H. Obama : c'est moi et le chaos (2009).

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MessagePosté le: Sam Fév 21, 2009 12:47 pm    Sujet du message: Re: America Répondre en citant

be serious a écrit:

you should learn from John McCain about loosing graciously

I presume you are referring to Senator Mc Cain "gracious" concession speech on the night of November 7th and to his subsequent visit to Obama? This was THEN.

Seriously, NOW, when is the last time you watched the Senate Debates on C-span 2 with John Mc Cain leading the charge? All opinions are welcome, but, please, update your information if you want to be taken "seriously".
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MessagePosté le: Lun Fév 23, 2009 12:01 pm    Sujet du message: America Répondre en citant

Well, you guys really confuse me.

On one hand, it's OK to blame the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression on Janet Reno, a minor figure of the Clinton administration who happened to have relaxed the conditions under which poor people could obtain a mortgage. This was well over 10 years ago.

On the other, it's not OK to refer to John McCain's concession speech made less than four months ago, because it was then and not now.

Looks to me as if you are not really interested in a constructive debate, may be you are some kind of lobbyist... paid by whom?
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MessagePosté le: Lun Fév 23, 2009 2:49 pm    Sujet du message: Re: America Répondre en citant

be serious a écrit:

Well, you guys really confuse me.

On one hand, it's OK to blame the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression on Janet Reno, a minor figure of the Clinton administration who happened to have relaxed the conditions under which poor people could obtain a mortgage. This was well over 10 years ago.

On the other, it's not OK to refer to John McCain's concession speech made less than four months ago, because it was then and not now.


Yes, you are confused all right.

Janet Reno was nominated and reconfirmed 4 years later by Bill Clinton as Attorney General of the United States (1993–2001). I would hardly call her a MINOR figure in the Clinton's administration. I do not blame HER for the crisis, I say that the seeds were planted by the Democrats and their liberalism, Carter first, then Clinton. Janet Reno was of course only enforcing the positions of Bill Clinton. Were the Republicans as white as snow afterwards in the matter, I am not saying that, but please do not squarely put the blame on them either.

Do you call forcing banks to lend to "poor people" who just could not afford the payments "RELAXING" the rules? I call it very irresponsible. In all countries and whatever your color, if you do not have enough to OWN, you RENT. And it does not kill anyone. Is not the majority of us RENTING here in Monaco? What's wrong with that? Does it make us second class citizens? And now, with the Accession a la Propriete, il will be the same thing for the Monegasques, the people who can afford it will buy, and the others will RENT, and tha's the way it goes.

As far as John Mc Cain, you basically told me and my friends that we should now just shut up, and be gracious about it, just like John Mc Cain. What I answered is that John Mc Cain is far from shutting up, and that you do not argue with up to date information. That's all.

Sure, I am a lobbyist paid par Georges W. Bush. N'importe quoi.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Fév 23, 2009 3:09 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Have you ever noticed that many of the people who lives in Monaco they don't buy their house, but they would be even able to buy a bigger flat that the one they rent.

The reason, in our case, could be that they understand they are not in their country and that they could be obliged to leave from one moment to the other.

You should be very careful when you handle examples !
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MessagePosté le: Lun Fév 23, 2009 7:52 pm    Sujet du message: Is this a threat ????? Répondre en citant

n'importamerica a écrit:


They understand they are not in their country and that they could be obliged to leave from one moment to the other.

You should be very careful when you handle examples !


Could you elaborate on your comment, please???????????
I have to be careful ????
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MessagePosté le: Lun Fév 23, 2009 11:12 pm    Sujet du message: America Répondre en citant

OK America, I agree with a good portion of what you say, the blame should be shared, no question. And there is nothing shameful about renting.

But please, this thing of saying that the banks were "forced" to lend to un- creditworthy people is over the top. They weren't "forced" to do anything, at best, they were allowed to engage in less than prudent activities. Why did they do it? They did it because the basic conceptual argument of liberalism (which shaped economic policies for the last 30 years) did not hold true: that regulation should best be left to the market participants, that they will always behave to protect their industry, because it was their self-interest to do so (remember the "magic hand"?).

And this argument turned out to be wrong because greed took over, and because it is not reasonable to ask some young person who can make several million dollars in single year with a few computer clicks to worry about the survival of his/her firm over the medium term. Well, guess what, they didn't.

Madoff, O'Neil or Samford, and hundred of thousand of others have very little to do with sub-prime mortgages, but everything to do with aligning the incentives of liberalism, capitalism, with those of society at large.

And that does not leave us with saying the republicans or the democrats are right or wrong, who cares really? But it leaves us with hoping that the guy holding the fort right now, it happens to be Obama, succeeds in restoring some confidence in a system which is deeply shaken.
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 24, 2009 11:00 am    Sujet du message: Re: America Répondre en citant

be serious a écrit:


But please, this thing of saying that the banks were "forced" to lend to un- creditworthy people is over the top. They weren't "forced" to do anything.

I disagree there. Imposing fines on Banks that did not do enough sub-prime loans and threatening them not to renew their licence is, in my opinion, forcing them.


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And that does not leave us with saying the republicans or the democrats are right or wrong, who cares really? But it leaves us with hoping that the guy holding the fort right now, it happens to be Obama, succeeds in restoring some confidence in a system which is deeply shaken.


You think I do not want things to get better, under ANYBODY? But the fact is that it does not. I have lost 50 percent of my worth since Obama took office. It started going down the drain ON THE DAY Obama won the nomination and it became clear that he would probably win the election. These are facts. Everytime Obama or one of his aids give a speech, the Market goes down. Who is going to bail ME out? Nobody, because I belong to that class that Obama, deep down, DETESTS, the Investissors. I am not a professionnel. l worked hard and saved all I could for my retirement, because, as a Republican, I believe I am an adult, not a child, in charge of my own destiny and did not intend for the Government to subsidise me with other's people money. Now it is half gone. THE MARKET WAS YESTERDAY AT THE LOWEST LEVEL SINCE 1997, UNDER CLINTON'S (for no fault of his I must add). I lost another twelve thousand dollars in the last 3 days. You think I do not want "better"?

All that socialist/communist ideologie and that "redistribution of wealth" of Obama scares everyone, but the "poor" people, who certainly deserved to be helped, but will not, in themselves, "relance" the economy.

For the first time, I am afraid of receiving the IRS packet in my mail-box. We usually get it beginning of January, nothing, I called the IRS who told me it had not been "finalized" yet. Who knows what horror they are going to come up with.

Obama is going to let the exemption given by Bush for the people making more than 250 thousand a year expire, which means in reality a tax increase. I am not in that category. But what I know is that, when I had a small business back in the States, I did belong there, and I filed my taxes as an Individual, not a Corporation. We employed about 15 people. I can tell you that, if I still had my business, after hearing Obama's plans for the future, I would have laid-off most of them, keeping only the minimum until I know for sure what is going to happen. What creates the most jobs are the small businesses (considered small up to 100 employees). And Obama is putting the screw on them, because, again, although he is now a multimillionnaire - his books - he still has a chip on his shoulder against people who succeed. What he wants is CONTROL, CONTROL AND MORE CONTROL. The Government will solve everything, UNDER HIS CONTROL. Now, if you had gone to a surgeon who amputated you from thew wrong limb, would you go back there??? The Governement (Republican OR Democrat) has been a TOTAL DISASTER with Social Security and Medicare. And now, they are going to run and fix the banking system and everything else?.

An other thing. Obama ordered that several Coal Mines be closed in a few weeks, Of course, everyone will be out of a job, and mostly these people he cares so much about. I know he has to satisfy his "GREEN" supporters, and all the other liberal groups that start thinking they have been had - but, did he have to do it NOW? Could he not have waited until the economy rebounds a little bit and these people have a chance to find another job? This is where the rhetoric does not match the actions, and this is why I don't trust him.


And, dear Be Serious, believe me, If John Mc Cain or Bush had been going down that same road, I would be here in arms against them as well. Even Vladimir Poutine warned Obama in one of his G speeches that "Communism does not work, we have tried, and it failed". I have no agenda. What we say on this blog is of no consequence, besides allowing us to blow some steam. Which I just did.

I wish President Obama all the best, and all the success, BUT NOT IF HE WANTS TO TURNS THE UNITED STATES INTO A SOCIALIST COUNTRY.
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 24, 2009 7:15 pm    Sujet du message: America Répondre en citant

Dear America,

Look, I'm sorry that part of your life savings went up in smoke in the past months, so did mine actually.

We seem to disagree about the fundamental reasons behind this whole mess. You argue that it is excessive government intervention and regulation which planted the seeds for today's situation, and that governments somehow forced people to behave irrationnally. I have sympathy for this view, to be honest, as I realize fully that America's strenght relies squarely on the freedom of enterpreneurship and that the flexibility of its economy and workforce has been a key ingredient of its strong economic performance.

But I can't buy the argument that in order to be successfull, America needs to have ten of millions of people without health insurance, children without a decent education and a situation where, forever, the rich get richer and the poor poorer. In fact, I think these trends are over the long run the worst enemies of capitalism and freedom, they are un-American in the sense that they run against one of the fundamental pillars of America: opportunity. If you work hard and give your kids a decent education, you are going to be OK and they stand at least a chance to do better in life than you did.

So you might call me a soft hearted liberal (in the US sense of the word), but I believe we are at a time in history where government intervention is warranted, the same way as it was warranted to curb the power of the barons and promote competition a century ago. And this, not to put in place some type of socialist/communist ideology, but much to the contrary, to have a better functionning market that will benefit more people.

So I guess that we will have to agree to disagree on this. I don't think Obama has much to do with this whole mess, and I don't have the basic mistrust in him that you express. I may be naive, but I believe Obama's profile is in itself a reason for hope to many in America, and that he stands a fair chance to restore America's moral standing in the world.
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MessagePosté le: Mer Fév 25, 2009 8:50 pm    Sujet du message: Be Serious, I'm gonna miss you... Répondre en citant

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But I can't buy the argument that in order to be successfull, America needs to have ten of millions of people without health insurance, children without a decent education and a situation where, forever, the rich get richer and the poor poorer.

Nobody is saying that the Healthcare System should not be overhauled. But it SHOULD NOT BE RUN BY THE GOVERNMENT, as they could not even run Social Security and Medicare. As far as the Education, is not Obama a perfect example? He got his education in the States thanks to all the Grants that he received, his family certainly could not afford Universities, etc... And, it is true, rich get richer and poor poorer, but, at the risk of being politically uncorrect, the people who make it USUALLY try a little harder. It has been my experience. Everyone has his chance in the States, but you have to move, you just cannot sit there waiting for opportunity to knock.

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So I guess that we will have to agree to disagree on this. I believe Obama's profile is in itself a reason for hope to many in America, and that he stands a fair chance to restore America's moral standing in the world.

Yes, let's agree to disagree. We have deep philosophical differences, and we can argue until we get blue in the face without ever convincing one another. Furthermore, we have to stop these daily chats or we could end up actually liking each other... Wink
A last thing: you used the word RESTORE. But Obama never uses that term. He talks about RE-MAKING America. And it worries me.

Bye now, I am taking my marbles and going to play on the French side. I'am gonna have to use all them é and à and ç, what a drag...
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